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Offline Don

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BRASS BELT PLATE!
« on: June 04, 2007, 08:09:03 PM »
Well its brass and its a belt plate.  Sorry no pictures of it (I left my cord to my camera at home).  I found a brass Knights Templar belt plate.  it is in great condition, its about 4" high and 2" wide.  It has some Latin (I think) words on the bottom front IN HOC SIGNO VINCES.  I also found a silver nickel 1944 D nickel, a silver bracelet,  a teaspoon that says Rogers and Bro Nickel silver.  I will post pics as soon as I can get some downloaded.
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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2007, 08:30:32 PM »
Way to go Don !!!  Nice finds !
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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2007, 08:35:10 PM »
check back in a little bit, I am going to walmart to buy a cord to my camera

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2007, 08:43:00 PM »
BTW.... that Latin means, "In This Sign You Will Conquer".
I was a DeMolay.    Jac. DeMolay was a Knights Templar.
The Knights Templars are a part of the York Right in Masonry.
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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2007, 08:43:49 PM »
I think he posted BRASS BELT PLATE just to freak steve out!! good job don
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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2007, 08:53:23 PM »
You're killing me............  Get to the cord store, and get back!!  :)
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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2007, 09:04:28 PM »
yeah...I'm picking myself up off the floor now!!!!!!!!  Need to see this plate soooooon!

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2007, 09:17:07 PM »
Here it is!

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2007, 09:28:41 PM »
That's cool!!
Are you hunting up in Iowa right now?? It looks quite old.
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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2007, 09:31:15 PM »
Yes, I found this today just east of Iowa City at an old farm house.  The house was built in the 1860's.  I was very surprised I didn't find any coins at this place.

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2007, 10:02:25 PM »
here are some pics of the back of it, you can see where I scratched it (good thing it was face down).
« Last Edit: June 05, 2007, 03:24:48 PM by Don »

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2007, 06:08:00 AM »
Did a "search" on The Knights Templars.  Come to find out they have an extensive History dating back from the 12th century to the present.  Sounds like Roger has some ties with this fraternity as well.  Now the fun part begins...trying to date this artifact.  You found a very very interesting piece  Don,  WTG!!!

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2007, 06:50:35 AM »
any ideas on what to do to preserve this?  Should I try to clean it any more?  I have seen some people put a coating on items they find so they don't deteriorate.  Any Ideas?

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2007, 07:38:35 AM »
I'd leave it alone if it was mine. I'm assuming it's made of brass, or some variant of that? If so, I think it will stay inert. I could be wrong though.
Have you posted it on the TN whatzit site yet? There's a couple guys on there that can figure out just about anything.
What took you to Hawkeye country? That's where my wife graduated.
I'm not surprised you didn't find any coins at an old farm. I've never had luck with coinage at farmsteads. Farmers just didn't carry money on them, unless they were going to town. And that was only once a month or so.
Once again, congrats on a very cool piece.
Jules
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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2007, 07:48:42 AM »
Jules, I travel the mid west with my job, I am here closing down an office in Iowa City and will be here until atleast Thursday.  I knocked on about 6 doors yesterday and got permission to search at 3 (50%) thats not too bad I guess.  I really don't have much to do today so I am going back out and knock on some more doors.  I love the old farm houses, you never know what you are going to find.  Sorry for all the pics I keep posting but I took one more that is centered a little better.

And yes it is posted on Treasurenet and so far no one there can provide any info either.

Don

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2007, 08:35:39 AM »
I dont think I would clean it Don.  It looks beautiful like it is.
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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2007, 07:49:02 PM »
Some more (better pics) of the back.  Maybe it will be easier to date it with better pics.

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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2007, 05:50:37 AM »
Been doing more research on the plate found by Don.  Go to www.knightstemplar.org and you find a world of information on this subject.

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2007, 06:29:33 AM »
Steve, Thanks for searching for this one.  I have been to this page and looked at every image I could find and still can't find nothing like what I got.  The cross that they use is totally different than mine.  I have emailed 2 different individuals from this site and have sent them pictures but haven't heard anything back yet.  I am glad the meeting is this weekend, I can't wait to show all you guys.


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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2007, 08:10:24 AM »
Don.... Contact this guy, I think he will be your best shot in helping you if it came from Iowa.

http://www.knightstemplar.org/KTnews/ia.htm
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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2007, 12:36:03 PM »
Don, try this site www.americanrelichunters.com  this is my all time favorite relic site.  These guys know their stuff, post a good picture and descibe it a alittle and there is bound to be someone that can give you an ID and age of the belt plate.  Good luck!

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2007, 01:13:04 PM »
I have it posted out there now, Thanks Steve!

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2007, 09:19:44 PM »
« Last Edit: June 07, 2007, 09:26:19 PM by Becky »

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2007, 09:42:10 PM »
side by side view

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2010, 09:48:21 AM »
Found an old photo online of this belt plate in use.  I have emailed the person who has this photo and asked for a close up of the buckle to make a comparison.

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2010, 09:57:26 AM »
the close up that I received

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE! KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS -- NOT TEMPLAR
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2011, 01:38:52 PM »
Hey guys,

The belt plate Don found is from the Knights of Columbus (Catholic organization), not the Knights Templar.

The photos show a member of the Knights of Columbus.  These photos are often confused by many people as being of Civil War vintage.  They are post Civil War.

Neat find, Don!  Just not as old as you may have previously thought.

Steve Warren

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2011, 09:11:43 PM »
Did the Knights of Columbus Purposely print Knights Templar on their items to confuse people?  The photo posted above is one I found on Ebay, I can't see the belt plate clear enough to say if it is the same as mine but it looks like it.  I don't know how old it is but I would say late 1800's or early 1900's.

Here is a close up of mine where it says "Knights Templar"

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Re: BRASS BELT PLATE!
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2011, 09:32:34 AM »
In the late 1800's in which your belt plate dates, the Knights of Columbus used the Templar name.

My neighbor in Spokane, Wash. was a member of the Knights and had the uniform you see in the photo as well as a number of photos, hats and belt plates. 

It is still a religious organization inside the Cathlic Church for men to join.

Still a great find.  Just not from the Knights Templar that went on the Crusades to the Holy Land.   wlcm

 

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